So change doesn’t just start in government with big politicians. It starts in society, where people start to realize that something is wrong and they go against it. So I think the best way we can spread out reach for veganism is by talking to people about it, and eventually, people will realize that veganism is the morally ought thing to do. I agree that veganism is a matter or justice, a matter of social justice. Animals, and human beings, and all living beings, who are sentient, have the base right not to be treated as property by others.