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“The lords of these heavens, however, are all Bodhisattvas who roam in samadhi. They gradually progress in their practice and make transferences to the way cultivated by all Sages.”The kings of these heavens, they are already Bodhisattvas stationed, fixed. But these people who meditate and enter some samadhi of emptiness and are attached to that, they still do not reach their ultimate goal, and they have to come back, and they have to be responsible for their karmic debt just like us even. Therefore, it is Nirvana, the best, meaning the highest level of sainthood. They call that area the Fifth level, at least. So I might take you to another place above the Fifth level.